Joe Goubeaux & S.G. Holmes

In this episode we welcome back Joe Goubeaux and his PSE  teammate S.G. Holmes, Joe and Stew are staff shooters at PSE. They traverse the landscapes of Ohio and Alabama, chasing elusive whitetail and offering fascinating insights into their behaviours, habitats, and the unique challenges that come with hunting them. From explaining the scoring system to providing tips on strict management practices, this episode will equip you with valuable knowledge for your next hunting expedition.

Shifting our sights to world-class archery technology, we pull back the bowstring and take an in-depth look at PSE's latest carbon bow marvel The Mach 30 DS. From speed and setup ease to new features, we dissect what makes these bows game-changers, with the Mach 30 impressing us with amazing performance. We also talk about the importance of a well-fitted bow over mere specifications. But the quest doesn't stop there; we tackle the thorny issue of obtaining top-tier archery equipment in Canada.

Have you ever wondered how to capture the perfect shot at archery events or film YouTube-worthy hunting videos? We've got you covered. Joe and S.G. dish out their go-to camera models and share tricks of the trade for different scenarios. We also dive into our experiences at archery events, the jitters of approaching renowned archers, and the brotherhood within the community. To wrap up, we express our gratitude for Stew and Joe's intriguing insights and invite them to return, further fuelling our collective passion for hunting and archery. So, whether you're a seasoned hunter, an archery enthusiast, or curious about the sport, this episode promises a thrilling trip down the archery trail.

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Transcript

Hunting Whitetail and Moose

Speaker 1 0:17

Welcome back . We've got Joe's back , obviously , and his partner in crime , stu . The boys are staff shooters for PSE . You boys have been busy . Yeah , dude , absolutely yeah , man . You guys got lots of news . I'm dying to hear about the new bows , but we'll start . You guys had a little trip to Joe's neck of the woods .

Speaker 2 0:40

Yeah , I got to . Got to go up into down in Ohio . Yeah , got to chase some whitetail and man , that was a blast , it was a good time .

Speaker 1 0:49

Oh , I bet . So where are you ? Where are you from , Stu ? Where are you located ?

Speaker 2 0:53

So I'm located in Alabama , like South Alabama .

Speaker 1 0:56

Oh shit , okay , Right on .

Speaker 2 0:58

Yeah , so it was a little hop skip and a jump up there , but easy peasy and yeah , what's the difference in the whitetail situation between you guys ?

Speaker 1 1:07

I guess it is it better in Joe's neck of the woods or Alabama's a little better .

Speaker 2 1:14

Well , I think I mean I've hunted whitetail all over the place and I really really enjoy like North and Midwest whitetail because it's like they behave like whitetail should behave . Okay , and as you get like further South , like in Alabama , they we have probably more numbers of whitetail than most states . I mean I think we have more whitetail than you put in the population , which I guess it's not in Alabama , but they're super skittish , I mean just cracked out kind of whitetail Gosh . You get it Way more than the typical whitetail and haunting them is pretty , pretty difficult . It's extremely like thick , you know nasty , swamp type stuff . You know they're not as big . I really have always said they're like a subspecies of kind of your typical , maybe Midwestern whitetail or something like that . I think what we have is like a strain of like coastal whitetail deer , but yeah , they're like meth dialed or something , I'm not sure . So I enjoy getting up north and out of you know my area to hunt them , getting after some bigger fellas .

Speaker 1 2:27

Absolutely . Yeah , we have back home , where I'm originally from in Newfoundland , we have like the whole province only has half a million people and there's 280,000 moose . Oh , wow , that we know of right . So like the population of moose is like real close to the population and the whole island . So I know what you mean when , like when you say the deer population is probably higher , they tend to get a bit bigger than more north . You go right yeah .

Speaker 2 2:54

Yeah , oh , yeah . I mean like what we have is almost like kind of similar to like a coos deer or something . I mean like if you shoot like that's small , right , they're well , I mean , I guess , well , that much smaller . Yeah , yeah , yeah , the older bucks will get a little bigger , but you know , like you know rack size , I mean if you shoot a 120 , like that's like really like doing something , oh , that's a monster .

Speaker 1 3:17

Hey , oh yeah , oh yeah . No kidding , joe , you shot that . That one you shot was pretty big . What was that ? I don't know .

Speaker 3 3:25

Stu , oh , you didn't measure it . You like me . No , I was just like I was just pumped that it's a bit . It's a bigger deer that I've seen harvest from the farm in a minute . But I don't know , stu , you like roughed him . You just were like eyeballed him and were like , yeah , he's probably . I don't remember what you said , but we didn't .

Speaker 2 3:45

Yeah , he's probably . He's probably 120 , like low 120s , yeah , and because he was a 10 , I think that's what got him into that range , right , but just a really , really pretty deer . I mean , like you know , long times , which helps to score out quite a bit . That's something you know . You don't always have a choice , but when I'm looking for them , you know it's your main beams and time length is . That's where your score is .

Speaker 1 4:11

Oh , that's where the majority of it comes from .

Speaker 2 4:13

Yeah , time , time length , number of times . Time length is big for that and kind of like where that main beam if you ever look like side profile , and where that main beam kind of comes out and stops . If it's , you know , hitting that tip of the nose or something like that , you've got a pretty good size .

Speaker 1 4:30

But yeah , I'm still trying to figure out how everybody scores whitetail . I'm pretty new to the whitetail game because we don't have them back there , and so I'm still trying to figure . Everybody's talking G twos and this and that I'm like just somebody show it to me , for God's sake .

Speaker 3 4:43

That's how I was .

Speaker 1 4:44

There's a lot to know , man Right .

Speaker 3 4:45

Was it ? Yeah , you're kind of like I don't know Where'd you say . He was like oh , he's got a nice . His G three is real nice , like good point . I was like I was accounting it to . Oh , okay , this one is the one .

Speaker 2 4:57

Yeah , yeah .

Speaker 1 5:00

There's a lot to know about it . Right , like most , like the guys that are in the whitetail . Like no the game . Yeah , like heavy right .

Speaker 2 5:08

Well like if you've , like I've , hunted some places that really really manage their , their deer like really strict and like you , you you have to get a pretty quick crash course if you don't know what you're doing in there , because otherwise you'll get in trouble pretty , pretty fast with some of those guys .

Speaker 1 5:28

They want you to only harvest certain age deer and certain size and stuff like that . Hey , yeah , yeah , you guys are serious about your whitetail down there . Oh yeah , you don't .

Speaker 2 5:38

Right , so you know we don't have an elk and all that that fun stuff . So whitetails kind of name of the game .

Speaker 1 5:46

Right , right . I mean , how many states have ? I mean I think the range of elk in the States is a lot smaller than it was way back in the day , right , like it's kind of shrunk down a lot . Probably Aren't they reintroducing , I mean ?

Speaker 2 5:58

they've reintroduced and you know some of the the East there and you know even . Wisconsin some .

Speaker 3 6:05

Pennsylvania is got supposed to be killer elk . Oh yeah , yeah , but it's the tag is like nutty , like real hard to get , but real good , real good elk out of Pennsylvania .

Speaker 1 6:17

Yeah , it's , it's the same . Here We've got we've got like four management units where you can apply for elk , but they issue 22 tags a year out of 2800 people that apply . So your chance like I mean it's like an Ontario elk is like once in a lifetime , if you're even lucky to get it . Yeah , it's , it's , yeah , it's crazy , right , but I mean you apply every year and cross your fingers and hope for the best and see what happens , right , well , why not ? Well , you have to right , it's the same with moose here . Like it's the .

Speaker 1 6:49

The lottery draw for moose is pretty crazy . Most guys get a set of tags once every 10 years . So I already told me and Joe already talked about it . But I'll give you a little background stew . I'm a little spoiled . Growing up in Newfoundland , we have so many moose there that you get a set of tags every second year . Wow , like no problem . So I would get a set of tags one year . My brother would get a set of tags one year . My dad would get a set of tags at the same time as us . My mom might get a set . So we might have to hunt three moose a year . So I'm spoiled , rotten right , and then come here and it's like well , you can hunt white tail . Yeah , good luck on anything else .

Speaker 2 7:31

You're like oh , you have to have to hunt three a year .

Speaker 1 7:35

Yeah , exactly Like you don't have a choice . And even caribou , like caribou , was an easy tag growing up back there . It was , but you couldn't apply for moose and caribou , you were only allowed to apply for one , right ? But I mean , that's such , a such an advantage if you're a big game guy , because how many guys get to hunt a caribou ?

Speaker 3 7:57

No , I would love to .

Speaker 1 7:58

Yeah , it's rare , right , like it's not an easy tag to get anywhere else . But we were so spoiled back there and it's like moose are like white tailed us , and then you come here and everybody's dreaming of a moose on . You're like oh I've , we've been there a million times . It's weird , but we should , one day , you boys should come up , we'll go there and we'll hunt a caribou or a hunt a moose .

Speaker 3 8:23

Yeah , that means , oh yeah , that'd be crazy Sweet yeah .

Speaker 1 8:27

We'll do it , we'll figure it a way to set it up . We're actually going to hunt a my mom's tags this year for her , so the only stipulation is she has to be with us . Perfect yeah , yeah yeah , maybe one year we can . We can work at where we'll get a set of tags on a caribou . You boys come up , you shoot it .

Speaker 1 8:48

I'm telling you you'd have a great time and it's all like it's all barren rocky landscape with like patches of like bog and stuff like that . So it's all open , it's easy walking in caribou country . Yeah , not much country's brutal , yeah , but yeah , you guys would really love it . Man , that'd be sick , yeah , yeah definitely .

Speaker 2 9:10

Caribou is definitely on the top of my list .

Speaker 1 9:12

Yeah , it's what's . Is it hard for you boys to get tags in Alaska ?

Speaker 2 9:18

um , I mean , I guess it depends on the tag . I've not looked at it yeah , I think there's no bear . Tags and stuff like that are probably a dime a dozen . I think the biggest hurdle is , you know , you probably need an outfitter and and things like that to like get back to places so yeah , and that's where the money comes in .

Speaker 1 9:40

Right is when you got a pan outfitter and a guide to get you in there . It's just , it gets . It gets nutty . 10 $15,000 hunts , right . I don't know , have you boys seen I don't know if you you watch any a crispy stuff , but did you see his , his new caribou hunt ? Yeah , I watched it the other day . They shot three dude . It was wild that young fella that shot him with a rifle . He must have been 15 years old , yeah , so my , my son was watching that with me .

Speaker 2 10:08

He was , he was , you know , he watches a lot of crispy and he was wanting to watch that . And he was like , oh my god , that kid's like not much older than me , like he , and he gets to do that like dad . Don't you feel jealous ? I'm like no man . I mean I'm happy for him . It's cool he got to do that . You know like you should be happy for him .

Speaker 1 10:26

Yeah , you can't be envious of it right like it is what it is , but it's .

Speaker 1 10:30

That's pretty impressive hunt for a for you like that to go on an experience man like that's a big deal . He's got future ahead of him . No , no , you're sure once he you know , yeah , yeah , he's definitely crispy . I mean , learning from that guy when it comes to archery is pretty good . You're a lucky dude , you know , yeah , yeah .

Comparing New Carbon Bows

Speaker 1 10:51

So the new bows boys how are they which ? What ? What ones are you shooting currently and how how different do you find them from last year's stuff ?

Speaker 3 11:02

you go first , do it because you have the levitate experience okay , so , yeah .

Speaker 2 11:08

So carbons . Let me first say , like the PSE , carbons are special . I mean , don't , don't you have the levitate in the easy ? Yeah , so you know , you know what's up . So and I will say , like the , that was my first carbon bow getting that and I struggled a little bit to get used to the lightweight and try to get where it would like hold and balance , and it really just came down to like get my stabilizers right . And once I had that right , I was like , holy cow , this is I'm not . It's gonna be hard to go back to aluminum . Yeah , you gotta get your weight right , right , yeah , exactly 100% . You know , once I , once I got that settled , it was , it was off to the races , so have the levitate . And then they sent me the Mach 34 as well , so I had that to kind of compare to . And now the new Mach 30 . The levitate was always like it really was like special place for me .

Speaker 2 12:07

I love a 32 axle to axle bow . Yeah , I love how it held , I love the performance , like it . I was surprised how fat , how much speed you actually get out of that , like really smooth cam . Yeah , I was like wow , you know , I was , you know , I think two nineties or something , and it was only pulling , like you know , 69 pounds or something with a 460 or 455 grain arrow . So what do you ? What are you pulling that ?

Speaker 1 12:32

for draw length 29 . Okay , so you're right in the right in that money .

Speaker 2 12:37

Spot on that bow then yeah , yeah , so a little over 29 . So I couldn't imagine like anything kind of like being better . And then you know the Mach 30 comes and I'm like and me and Joe talked about it just like , oh , you're gonna love it , it's right in your wheelhouse , you know . Like you know being 29 , you know draw link , that's 28 , 29 . I would say really like that bows gonna shine for for that , oh sure , that's right , yeah .

Speaker 2 13:04

But I've always like not really loved short axle to axle bows and like short , I mean like 30 and under , is to me like kind of short , yeah . But when I got it , I mean like I think I text Joe was like holy get , like it took me nothing to get it set up . Yeah , it set up so easily , it tuned so easily . And I mean I've had some experience with with the , you know , the PSE carbons and getting them , getting them , you know , ready to shoot . But I remember like shooting the first arrow and like noticing , like you just know , sometimes when a bow is fast , like that arrow is just it's it's whipping and I was like , wow , so speed wise , I couldn't wait to get it through a chrono and actually it's pretty much there with a levitate in terms of speed , pretty , yeah , so it's fast , really really fast .

Speaker 2 14:02

I love some of the new features on it . So some of the gripes that you know I had on the levitate is like man , I wish this had a pick mount . Well , now you got a pick mount right , yeah , and I love on a PSE running my stabilizer in that bottom stabilizer bracket . Oh , down low , yeah , so you've got the two . Like I loved it . On the Omen , the Fortis , like I love that weight just being lower . For me it just , I don't know it holds better . Sure , center of gravity , you know , lower below the riser the better , yeah , and you know , so , having that , I was pretty stoked on that . I love the look of the new riser . So , anyway , aesthetically it looks friggin badass .

Speaker 2 14:43

In my opinion , the new features make it . Now there's really nothing more you can ask for in terms of you know where to put a sight and all that you know tuned up nicely , and in terms of shooting it , I really really like it . So , yeah , it's like tell you're fired up a bit , you like , yeah , oh , it's sweet , it's . It's a sweet little boat , so easy to carry around , it's so easy in the tree stand . I've hunted , you know , in the ground blotting what's with it . Now you know it is firing out and we were surprised , so I think I'd had the bow like maybe a week and a half before I went to Ohio with Joe and he's got this dope ass freaking public archery range . That is .

Speaker 2 15:27

You've seen it in the videos he's got his own private spot there yeah , so I traveled to , I made the , you know I traveled to the Mecca and made , made my voyage to the Mecca and Ohio Joe archery range and yeah , we were sending them , you know , 60 yards and I mean like the first two shots were like touching on that good .

Speaker 1 15:47

Yeah , it's crazy , it's surprising , it is it's , it's that steady for a 30 inch bow ?

Speaker 3 15:54

hey , yeah so 30 inch , six inch brace . But so we talked about this a little bit . We did like a Q&A live to like kind of give some people some answers on some of the stuff we're seeing through DMs and stuff right , I've got it saved .

Speaker 1 16:06

Oh perfect , actually I haven't watched , yeah , but I'm gonna .

Speaker 3 16:09

So we touch on this . But , like the guys at PSC , they gave us some some talking points and , you know , full draw , stability , that whole piece .

Comparison of Different Archery Bows

Speaker 3 16:17

I think a lot of people I don't know if we talked about this or not , cj , but like I think a lot of people think it's like yeah , it's just some marketing or whatever , right , right but there's yeah what it's doing , like what they've engineered into their cam .

Speaker 3 16:31

It's , it's a bunch of things . It's it's the rocker position , the angle of the limbs , the you know people kind of stay on . Yeah , the width of the pocket . I know people gripe on like reflex and brace height , but you got to look at like your effective brace height at full draw .

Speaker 3 16:47

So like what they you know , without saying how they did it , because eventually you know the competition will steal that too , like wide lip pockets are the flavor of the day now , without saying what it is that what's happening , but your effective brace height is lengthening so it effectively is a seven inch brace height at full draw . So when you shoot it , oh , I see , okay , very obviously tell it , does not shoot like a six inch brace height , it's . You know , I shot six inch brace . I've shot 30 inch bows . They are a little twitch here , they are a little all over the place , but this one isn't .

Speaker 3 17:24

So without knowing that background , it's , it's easy to like be put off by the dimensions or the inches of reflex or how long or short the brace height is , but it's one of those like I tell people this a lot on , just go shoot it , you know , yeah , think what you're thinking , but just shoot it and then like feel what happens and then then get back to me and let me know , because I totally get the short bow , you know leariness than initial leariness , but it's , it is like he said , like we were like laughing , like I don't know if I just got more used to the grip , you know , coming from like a big chunky ultra view grip to the carbon grips , but I swear I was grouping better at 60 with that than my 34 , which doesn't . That makes no sense . But the 34 was my first bow . You know to get used to that grip and that angle and the width and everything . So I don't know , it's a freaky . Whatever they did it's , it's a freaky bow .

Speaker 1 18:22

It's . It's , you're right , because it's hard to to lock down . Like I shot Hoyt for a long time too , at 30 inches and I never had any problems . I had great groups , they were all tight and I did switch to a Matthews 29 for a minute and I couldn't get that thing to settle . The pin float was insane . I couldn't do anything so I had to move it and when I did I went to the levitate and stuff like that . Now , like that thing shoots so good for me that I'll never steer away from it again and the wider limb system works great . And I've shot a lot of pscs for a long time . Like I had the embark , I had the NT and all those guys and that like psc just kind of fits you right .

Speaker 1 19:06

Sometimes a bow just fit yeah yeah , and it sounds like you've got that going on with that Mach 30 Right , like something about it . Just everything lines up for you boys and it works good .

Speaker 3 19:16

I think yeah yeah , sir .

Speaker 2 19:19

Yeah , so it's . It's funny you say that . So I had . You know , I shot Matthews for a small stand and I could get them to shoot . Well , but that you know the point of like a bow , like agreeing with you or like you know , you like you jive with , like certain bows and I don't know if it was the grip of them and I shot . Let's see , I shot a 30 , whatever their , the One of the first 30s on that platform I can't remember the name of it at the moment , like the xr or something like that even before the vias VxR had .

Speaker 2 19:58

Okay , yeah , it was , I can't remember , but I shot that . I shot that they had a had a 27 . I pointed around with the V3 . Was it a V3 27 ?

Speaker 1 20:11

Yeah , I think is V3 . Your V3 X was a 27 .

Speaker 2 20:14

Or like maybe , maybe some people out there don't don't agree and love it , but I could . That bow made me question my whole or anything I ever knew about archery life , like I thought I I needed to go take lessons , I swear to God . So I Went from the 27 to the 31 and I was like , okay , this is , this is better , but still like it . Just , I just struggled with it . So Then I went to from that , all those , I tried those . I had the 33 , I had the 29 , okay , but the my , my stent back at PSC was the Omen and by all like specs there's . It should have been every reason for me not to like that bow , because it's a short , short race , I right .

Speaker 2 21:03

Five and a half inch brace height . Yeah , I love the 33 axle to axle but like , again , like they defy physics . There's something they're doing that defies physics , that makes , yeah , from a spec sheet what should be a horrible twitchy bow to something that's actually extremely accurate and works . And it works , man , really I mean it's a killer . And that's really how I feel about a lot of their bows . I love the , the grips and it just they're , they're very , very accurate and and and to me that's that's key .

Speaker 2 21:36

Okay , it might not be it . You know as quiet , you know as , as you know what they , what they do on the Matthews , but they're very quiet , they're quiet enough . You know my guide , yeah for sure you know so . And like the thing on , like some of the bows , like people shoot them , you know , in a shop and it's like you know they spend a few minutes shooting it at five feet or 15 yards or 20 yards , and I think , like you know not to talk bad about any bow companies , but like Matthews has , I think , from a shot experience , they have won the war , they've won the battle at like 10 , 15 yards , like they're . They feel great , yeah , but for me I just cannot . You know , I just shoot other bows more accurately .

Speaker 1 22:23

But you're right , it certain bows drive with certain people , right . So my brother shoots a Matthews 31 inch v3 that the Matthews bows work for him . He shoots him . Great yeah , and he shoots the original grip , oh , and he loves he's Only fellas . Do I've ever met in my life who will sit in front of you and say I like the Matthews stock grip ? You go , nobody likes the Matthews stock grip . What are you talking about ?

Speaker 1 22:54

He loves him Can't get enough of it . I'm like , oh , I don't know how he does it , but yeah , but you're right , man . And as soon as I went back to PSE everything kind of came back to me and it felt right and and I did go to a longer axelax , obviously the 32 and a quarter on a on a levitate , but you know , and they sit better in my hand .

Speaker 2 23:16

And I think that's really it . I think , whatever the ergonomics of the grip and how it sits and Holds , I mean , that's your accuracy , you know oh for sure , my , my favorite bow of all time was my NTN .

Speaker 1 23:30

Yeah , I love that bow . What was the first evolved cam I ever shot ? And I thought when I pulled that thing for the first time I went when is this been ? Yeah , my whole life like this is amazing . And then like you said it was fast .

Speaker 2 23:44

Yeah , I had somebody DM me the other day saying like oh they need to bring back the NTN wire . Why have you know ?

Speaker 1 23:50

I agree .

Speaker 2 23:52

So there's , there's a , there's some NTN . You know fans out there for sure .

Speaker 1 23:55

They need to bring it back with the EC2 cam just to get that little bit extra speed out of it . I know the NT . The EC2 was pretty much the same cam as the evolve cam , just wider bearings , right .

Speaker 2 24:06

Yeah , it just fits that wider limb pocket .

Speaker 1 24:08

Yeah , it's no , the geometry on the actual wheel is no different . Right , yeah , this is the same . Yeah . So , joey , you , you're shooting the , the 33 Eva evolved DS . Now , right .

Speaker 3 24:21

Yeah , so I , I it's for whitetail . It's hard to get away from that short warm Riser now that it's different below we're in the 30s and stuff nice that warm carbon is nice I hate to be like .

Speaker 3 24:37

You know , people like well , it's like two seconds , I pull my bow off and hold it . I'll deal with it . It's like I get it , but it's nice . Yeah , it's nice , just it's like another . It's pretty little thing . So it the two , was it two weeks , two sets ago , like two weeks ago , I had both bows with me and I was like all right . Last second decision I threw the , I threw the evolve in the Kubota and I drove out and then I made the best shot I've made on animal so to date on with that bow and I think , like I Saw their release . So when it came out , came out the day after the , the 30 and and right at a target archer going through why he liked it .

Speaker 3 25:18

You know , I want something that is going to be built like stable , forgiving , shoots like a target rig but is dead and quiet .

Speaker 3 25:28

The bow is just comfortable . I mean , I don't have the 30 , I have the 33 , you know , and like Stuart told me is , like you know you're gonna , you're gonna fall into that bow , just like you fell into the 34 because it just fits you better . You know the 30 , I'm shooting it almost an inch short because that's where it's at on the EC2 , which is fine for tree stand stuff . Yeah , but I'm like a 16th off of 31 inches on that bow and it's just comfortable . Angling down is comfortable , it's just comfortable . It's comfortable shoots flat .

Speaker 3 25:59

I didn't even yeah , you know it tuned piece of cake tuning with that easy to 20 . I had a slight tear . We pressed it me and stood I'm like I know , in the back of my head . I was like I know the last the paper tear I had was , you know , I had a slight right . So we shimmed it , didn't even reconfirm it , stuart . We did our stuff with the 30 and then the next week I went out . I Didn't even recite check site or anything . I was like , all right , should be good , and it just slams . Dude , the bow is just , it's dead . That that's a tack bow , like if you were building just a tack bow . But you also on that 33 is stupid . It's uh , it's dead . It's weighted well , it's lighter .

Speaker 3 26:38

I believe , based off of what Stuart said , a little bit and the Fortis , because I don't know the Fortis , I love it . I love it . Pick rail , lower bushing , you know , shock pod , the whole deal , like the bows , just it's , it's comfortable . It's definitely a comfortable , especially if you're outside it at 30 inches draw .

Speaker 1 26:59

Yeah , I'm super pumped that they're going with all the accessories now , like the pick rail and then the the integrated mounts on the back , and that they've got Like cutouts in the riser for like an upcoming quiver right , like yeah so .

Speaker 3 27:12

So Stuart knows a little bit more than I do . There's a one-piece and a two-piece . They'll mount directly into your riser Coming from PSA yeah . Yeah , they're that's . They should be coming soon . They're out like I've seen them . I don't have one , but they're , they're , they're coming like for everybody , that's .

Speaker 1 27:29

that's like the only thing they've been missing , right ? Yeah , I think so , like the accessory accessories .

Speaker 3 27:34

Yeah . Yeah , and that's what me and you talked about , I think the last time .

Speaker 1 27:40

Yeah , because Matthews and Hoyt has their own . Yeah , oh yeah they work so well together .

Speaker 3 27:44

Yeah , I know , that's the thing like you see has it like yeah , matthews , their accessories are like pretty top-notch , hoyt , I I never like I had their quivers and stuff . I never really liked them quite as much as I . As the the low-pro I thought was like really well done for a quiver , yeah , yeah . But yeah , I think that's a missing piece and they're they know that that's something they want to have and so they're gonna have it .

Speaker 1 28:08

Dude , I love the direction they're heading in . Oh , I think they're on the right path for everything . Yeah , 100% and yeah , yeah , and they've got , they've got a cool feel about whatever's going on there , like the atmosphere Seems great , like that . Just the commercial alone that they put out to release it with Dudley and it's . Everybody else does . Like those serious commercials . I was just yeah .

Speaker 3 28:34

I know there's was so much fun it's just you know they know , they know exactly , man .

Speaker 3 28:39

They know they know what they're bringing to the table . I mean , and the guys that that represent a , you know , ownership and I Mean I talked to stew about this all the time . I was like I told you this too because it was right after our conversation with Stuart is like you know , there's Sort of these old dynasty brands , you know , like the one behind you , and then there's , like you know , matthews has deep . You know they've done their time . They had their bad bows . They think you know we're more of an apparel line than they were a bow manufacturer and then a boat , and then they took over , you know , and it's , you know it's a story as old as time .

Speaker 3 29:12

You know the hungrier , you know the hungrier person , is the one that goes and goes longer . You know I'm zoom . Yeah , so , pete for sure , you know Kings will fall , dynasties fall . You know everything , but as long as the company , I think , has that drive , these guys Definitely know where they are and where they want to be . Yeah , they know who's in their way . Yeah , and you know they know weak points .

Archery Equipment Challenges in Canada

Speaker 3 29:33

You know there's no , yeah , it's not like nobody's talking about elephants in the room , with reps not having as many reps as they should , not having as many dealer prep , not as many dealers or as big of a dealer presence , like they know all that . That's all you know . There's plans . There's things down the road .

Speaker 1 29:49

That's the only killer up here in Canada , right ? So when you , when you go to like one of some of the bigger 3d shoots or if you go to Some of the sportsman shows or whatever like Hoy always has a rep there , bow tech always has a rep there .

Speaker 1 30:03

There's almost never a PSE guy there . I've actually never met one in person at any of the events and there's usually a Matthews rep there sometimes . They're usually hit or miss right . So I'm hoping they kind of , because we've got a real good market here , especially when it comes to like whitetail .

Speaker 1 30:19

I'm not , Terry was crazy right , so I'm hoping they kind of . You know the biggest problem here is too many . We have such a hard time getting cool shit like you guys have all the Dave was telling me the hoops you guys have to jump through , or tourists , bro , like if you want to get like .

Speaker 3 30:36

I want to get you guys like HHA up there .

Speaker 1 30:39

Bro , it's so . Look , if you want to HHA site , it used there's a . They're a little bit more Like , they're in shops a little more now , but it used to be impossible . If you walked into a bow shop around here and you were like , hey , do you have any HHA equipment , they they'd look at you like you were a crazy person and they go that's only Western shops carry that stuff . And you go what are you talking about ? It's just a dial on a . It's the same as a spot hog . Just why do you not carry this stuff ? But yeah , it was impossible to get , and if you want like Numa gear or if you want crypt tech , get good luck . You got to order it from from the States , yeah . And then you got to pay duties , right the good luck , like you're paying extra , right it's . It's crazy .

Speaker 1 31:27

That is sick cuz the only one that's here and that's cuz we have Cabela's and Bass Pro and they carry it anyway . Yeah , right . So but yeah , man , it's hard to get archery equipment here , and and even , especially if you want some of the top tier stuff Like if you wanted that new quad rest that they have at the MX2 or whatever like that yeah , like you buy it . You guys can probably go to your local bow shop right now . They probably have them in stock . Yeah , I've called three shops . Nobody has .

Speaker 3 31:51

Wow .

Speaker 1 31:52

And they don't know when they're gonna get them .

Speaker 3 31:54

Interesting like at all .

Speaker 1 31:56

Nobody has any of the new PSEs yet . I actually got it . No , that's a lie . I got a text from one guy that I know that owns a shop here about 20 minutes from me and he texts me goes , I just got the new PSE 30 mock 30 in , if you want to come look at it . No , it's like okay , yeah .

Speaker 1 32:13

I'm on the way . But yeah , man , it's , it's hard to get stuff here . Yeah , and it's it's weird because we're like we share , like we're basically down in the state , like if you look how Ontario it shaped , like Juts down in New America , like we're surrounded by you guys and there's 40 bridge , like it shouldn't be any trouble to get it here at all . No , but it is whatever it is . We just we don't carry all the cool stuff like you boys do you know , but did you , did you shoot the 30 ?

Speaker 2 32:42

Have you , have you gone and shot ?

Speaker 1 32:43

I'm going . I'm going tomorrow to shoot it . Now , yesterday I shot all the new Matthews and all the new Hoyts , and the Hoyts are great . I'm not a fan of the new Matthews cam .

Speaker 3 33:00

I've heard that .

Speaker 1 33:02

Yeah , that too . So you , you shot a few Hoyts in your day , joe , have you shot many stew .

Speaker 2 33:10

Actually Hoyts the bow shot for more than any of them .

Speaker 1 33:14

Oh , have you okay ? So you know , like they're kind of hard up front and Then they kind of break over real smooth and that's kind of been Hoyts draw cycle for however long Matthews has always been the opposite right , it pulls easy at the start and then kind of stacks on the way back Not anymore . It's harder to break over than any Hoyt I've ever shot . Like it's heavy up front , hmm , and it does smooth out as you get back . But it takes a lot to break that cam over at first . And when the limbs are so short and they come in so steep , yeah , it's that it feels weird , you know , coming from a PSE to that .

Speaker 1 33:54

Yeah , it's , it's strange , man , it's strange . If you get a chance to shoot one , shoot it for a laugh and just see how it feels to you , but it's different . Yeah , the rise is real straight too , like real straight , not a lot of reflux reflex at all interesting . Yeah , I agree with you when you were talking about the reflex geometry , like , yeah , I don't find that stuff really matters . Like the the my levitate has like a lot of reflex . I think it's like two and a half inches or something .

Speaker 3 34:18

Yeah , I don't find it makes that big of a difference . Yeah , is it three ? I think I think MFJJ measured it three or something like that , yeah .

Speaker 1 34:28

On the 30 , on the mock 30 . Yeah , yeah , but those colors that it comes in , I know well , that's another thing , so that's a whole . That's a whole nother like in their direction .

Speaker 3 34:38

They're going right , like they're gonna have this whole like because we we get that's probably singularly the most Asked question , right , sue , like how do I get different colors , different camos , mix and match the limb pockets ? So they're doing like , right , we don't really have an answer . The the answer is that they're doing a PSE custom shop , so that's what they're gonna be doing . Oh , that's how you have to order it . Now there are , like I think crypt tech skyfall comes with the bronze like cam in pocket because it goes together with their , their camo .

Speaker 3 35:12

Yeah but , like mine , people have been asking me like how do you get the grand , like you order it that way ? But I have , I honestly don't even know . I didn't know they didn't . You're like me and Stuart .

Speaker 1 35:24

Oh , they just sent you it like that .

Speaker 3 35:25

They sent me it . I had it in August . They sent it to me . It had no sticker on the box . It said like special carbon project . It was wild , oh swear to God . And so it . That's me . And so we're like . I was like . I call it my face time and we're pulling it out the box , we're like what is this Like ? Just the goofiest like , but it , but it is it like it's nasty yeah .

Speaker 1 35:53

Yeah , that's sweet . Do you have the same color cams do on yours , like the , the bronze ?

Speaker 2 35:57

No , so I all , I you know and , as Joe said , like sometimes you just get it and it's whatever they .

Speaker 1 36:05

What are ?

Speaker 2 36:06

they saying they want pictures of or something or they want content made of . And I was like , hey , possible , I love black , I love murdered outbows , blackbows , and that's what they sent me . So mine does not have the bronze cams or limb pockets or anything , but I think also , so I'm a lefty , um and like , usually I get stuff like after Joe and other . You know , it's like , uh , like the . When the , when my box came , it didn't say special project , it said Long-handed . Oh , is that what it said ? Yeah , so , uh , so , anyway that at least it was the , the color I wanted . But I was so hoping for , you know , some , uh , some bronze Cams some bronze .

Speaker 2 36:57

Yeah , because I was gonna make it into the mr Tebow . I was gonna like put like freaking gold strings on . It was gonna be nasty Dude that would be sweet I might . I might have to just swap the cans .

Speaker 1 37:08

Yeah , swap the cans out . Yeah , swap the cans , swap the limb pocket and then put some gold strings . That would be a sick looking boat man . It's probably coming . Yeah , that would be pretty sweet . Yeah , 100% , man , you got to do that actually . So do they ? Do they have like stipulations on how much content you need to create for them ? Or do they just say , look here and just make a bunch ?

Speaker 2 37:29

Um , yeah , there's content , there's minimum requirements . Yeah , I figured like , typically , I mean , I shoot my camera just about every day , um , you know , or as much as possible , so I end up , you know , making more than what they ask .

Speaker 1 37:46

Yeah , so how did you ? How did you end up with pse ? Uh , so .

Speaker 2 37:53

Oh , this went back to uh , I guess early in the year 23 and even end of 22 , and that's when they were kind of going through like management changes , right , when they were bought by uh , the heritage group , right , yeah , yeah and uh , so I've never really pursued any company except for Uh pse actually was the only one I really was like man I would really . I love the direction they were going , yeah , I loved the bows they were putting out . I was just like blown away when I started to get you know , back Uh on to shooting pse and and I felt so strongly about it that I went after them and and you know , um , you know , reached out to them and and talked to a couple different people . And then , uh , one day the , the CMO gave me a call and you know , the rest was kind of history . But , um , I think you know timing was probably right . They were , you know , I said they were Making changes and management changes and stuff like that . So it was kind of , I think , honestly , just like right place , right time .

Speaker 1 39:00

Yeah they were right in the midst of making that change a to shift over . I think stew froze up there . Oh , there he is yeah , yeah , no it . So they were right in the middle of making those management changes and and changing the direction and and picking guys up and , yeah , that's awesome man .

Camera Models and Archery Events

Speaker 1 39:17

So what's uh ? What kind of uh camera do you use to ?

Speaker 2 39:23

So I've got two actually it's funny , I have one right here . So this is , uh , this is my r5 , so it's a sony a7 r5 . Um , so this is like my monster , like photography high resolution camera , you know , it's like you know 62 megapixel , you know sensors , so you know you can crop tight still not lose as much quality , right , and uh , yeah , so that's , that's kind of my you know Go-to photography body . And then I have the a7 , for which actually I had before this and so , and it's funny because I was taught I called joe or joe Joe called , I don't know .

Speaker 2 40:05

Somehow we got on to it . I was like I was about to buy a new body and , um , he turned me on to the a7 , for is like a hybrid type thing and he's , he loves , you know , filming and you know , really , you know he's much better in the , the cinematography type of you know things and and all that , than me . And uh , he's like man , this one . I like it because it kind of does it all and I was looking at the you know Megapixels and I think it's still 33 .

Speaker 3 40:32

Yeah , something like that , 32 , something like that .

Speaker 2 40:35

Right , yeah , so it's still got . You know , I mean , really 24 is plenty , right , yeah , yeah , yeah , so you know , those two bodies I kind of inter interchanged . Um , you know , I think the a7 force kind of more set up for if I do reels or filming or youtube , it's , you know , dedicated that .

Speaker 1 40:54

and then my r5 is kind of the the Uh photography right , right , joe , how did you get into like the , the whole Content , like camera game and all that stuff , like the cinematography stuff ?

Speaker 3 41:07

honest , I don't even know dude like I , it's just he's just one day right . Like you guys see like . I don't know they they made fun of my bow At tack , told me to throw my bow away and then they called me later on that would so like the camera stuff . I had a cannon in college and , uh , I did mostly like street photography stuff . I never , I never did any landscape .

Speaker 3 41:29

I got my first landscape lesson from steward actually in montana , um , but then at 10,000 , at 10 that yeah , oh yeah , yeah , that we had to hike One and a half and then a half back because my our mics , because I was vlogging it , or my my mic got his mic , my mic fell off and , uh , in the middle of the wilderness so I was like , I was like forget it . I said forget it , it was like a day old and I had to like I had to beg my wife , cause I had just bought a shotgun and shotgun mic and she's like what do you need ?

Speaker 3 42:03

What do you need another mic for ? You just bought a mic and I was like well , this is a different mic , it's for different stuff , you do different stuff with it . So she was already kids .

Speaker 3 42:11

So Stuart was like there's no way we're not at least looking , but it was like it was a straight up amount to go back to where I was like . I was like I'm good bro , I won't even , I won't even tell her , we'll just , we'll just , we'll just forget a lav mic . But we found it . We found it and because the transmitter was on on the camera and the mic was on , so it'll pick the signal up after a certain , so we like , we like metal , detected it with the camera . Basically , oh beauty , yeah . So we got it and it was just like inside his footprint in the snow .

Speaker 1 42:46

Oh shit . So yeah , tack must have been fun and and . I think that's what I'm talking about .

Speaker 3 42:51

Yes , it's going to be hard to get away from Montana . I think there's such a good such a good venue .

Speaker 1 42:56

Yeah , big sky has got to be that's . That's something else , right ?

Speaker 3 43:00

It's pretty , you know , the lifts are nice , the resort's nice and it's it's a small , it's a more intimate than like a Utah , you know , vendor village . So you can kind of like you , just you like bump , you can literally bump into Dudley , where otherwise you might go looking for you might have to go looking for them .

Speaker 1 43:21

Right , okay .

Speaker 3 43:22

There was people you'd be like . I was like , oh , I really want to talk to Josh Smith , but I was like too nervous , yeah , he's always he always had like this face on and I was like I don't want to go . I'm , I'm like scared , so I just did , so I did it .

Speaker 1 43:34

but you would , you would run into people . It's weird approaching guys , right ? What ? Oh , yes , like it's just strange to approach fellas that like you're after watching . You're like , are you ? You know ? Yeah , you don't have any background You're like .

Speaker 3 43:45

we saw we met MFJJ and he's he's exactly how he is on YouTube in person .

Speaker 1 43:51

Oh , he's no different , not even a little bit . He's just who he is right now . But it is weird , right , like I find it like , even like tonight , like I was like , it's like I kind of know Joe , but I've never talked to Stu or anything like that .

Speaker 1 44:05

You know , it's like cause I'm always worried about like how nervous are those guys , cause they've never talked to me and I've never talked to them . So it's always a little bit of anxiety until you start doing it and you're like , oh , everybody's just good shit . Everybody loves archery , right .

Speaker 3 44:19

Right .

Speaker 1 44:21

It's just let it go , and everything usually ends up working out fine .

Speaker 3 44:24

See , I always tell them that everyone's always afraid of SG . Bro , I don't know what it is . Oh yeah , they just like I don't know .

Speaker 1 44:31

You've got , you've got that seriousness , yeah , right .

Speaker 3 44:34

You're so excited about that beard .

Speaker 1 44:36

You know what I'm saying ? No , it's , but we're going to . We're going to try to make Pennsylvania this year . Okay , good , Good Cause we're . Yeah , I'm going to Pennsylvania . I'm leaving the rest of them if they don't want to come stay home . Yeah , I'm , I'm coming to Pennsylvania .

Speaker 3 44:51

Shoot with us then , because I'm I'm having Stuart come , unless it doesn't work for you , stuart , but I was thinking about having you come here and we just drive right across , bro , that'd be sweet , it's close , it's like maybe two hours .

Speaker 1 45:02

Yeah , we'll have to figure out like a campground or a camper or something like that . I might . I might hook a camper up and bring it down or something like that .

Speaker 3 45:09

Who knows , I got to look into the ?

Speaker 1 45:11

that'd be sweet . The resort , yeah , all right , cool . Yeah , we'll do a podcast equipment and we'll do like an onsite pocket . Yeah , it'll be sick . Maybe we can , maybe we can trick Dudley into getting on . If he's there we'll be like just come over for a minute or something .

Speaker 3 45:29

We'll . We'll have it . We'll get him at the end of the day . We'll get him at the end of the day .

Speaker 1 45:32

Yeah , just drag him over , it'll be like Dudley .

Speaker 3 45:33

I know you're sauced out , let's go . Here's a beer , let's go .

Speaker 1 45:36

Yeah , yeah , let's go check , let's put like the barbecue and let's let's get after it . He'll do it . No , I don't have to . I hear Pennsylvania is a really nice one . It's big .

Speaker 3 45:46

It's . It's bigger than I knew . Is it big ?

Speaker 1 45:47

Yeah , yeah , Like every vendor's there , every big name's there , Like well , because it's Midwest right Pennsylvania's like the hub of whitetail oh yeah , Down , you know what I mean Like there's more whitetail guys that come out of Pennsylvania than any other state .

Speaker 3 46:04

Yeah , Pennsylvania , you got guys . I mean , I know TAC has a Michigan now , but you get guys from New York . You know it's it's easy to get to , so yeah , Michigan , and Michigan and Pennsylvania are like the same distance .

Speaker 1 46:18

for me they're both like five and a half .

Speaker 3 46:19

Oh , yeah , yeah .

Speaker 1 46:21

That's it .

Speaker 3 46:23

So yeah , I think I don't . I've not gone to Michigan , but I've only heard good things about , about Penn , so yeah , yeah , I like the idea of Pennsylvania .

Speaker 1 46:31

I've heard all good things about it as well . Yeah , yeah , I think we hit that one . That won't be good , that'll be a good one , yeah , it's a , I think it's a .

Speaker 3 46:38

It's pretty early , it's like one of the first ones , so that's kind of nice .

Speaker 1 46:41

Yeah , I was looking at the other day . I was like that's real early right .

Speaker 3 46:47

And then you got , like you know , Montana and Utah , those are towards your end , like right before elk season .

Speaker 1 46:54

Man , that thing took off . Eh , oh yeah , Like that , that whole tech thing just blew up .

Speaker 2 47:00

Well , I heard Pennsylvania like even sold out , like I mean really quick and like big sky . There was still availability and you know .

Speaker 1 47:09

Oh was there .

Speaker 2 47:11

Yeah , there was still availability and big sky for a bit , like it didn't sell as fast .

Speaker 1 47:15

It's funny you mentioned that , stu , because we were trying to get to Dave and I and my brother had planned to go to Michigan last year and they opened up ticket sales and then , like within an hour and a half , they were all gone , like that yeah . I was like , oh well , I guess I'm not going to attack this year , but I should have . I should have bit the bullet and just bought one for big sky and went .

Speaker 3 47:38

Yeah , you know what I mean .

Speaker 1 47:40

Like I should have just flew to big sky and called like fuck it . You know what I mean . Right , and next time I will .

Speaker 3 47:47

Right what's ?

Speaker 1 47:47

that , stu ? Is it a good time ? Yeah , he's awesome . Yeah , man Montana , I bet , is beautiful dude .

Speaker 3 47:53

Yeah , I've never been before that trip and it's definitely like I love it . It's just the colors . Yeah , you know , I spent time in New Mexico and stuff with my hunts , but never like so . I haven't done a Utah hun , I haven't done an Idaho , I haven't done a Colorado . So like seeing the different I don't know the trees , like the different trees , like there was more like blues and greens than there were from what I'm , you was used to seeing out , you know , west , like in New Mexico and stuff , so it was really pretty . The terrain , I think , was a little more . I don't I don't want to undersell New Mexico , but I feel like it's a little more intense , a little more difficult . Yeah , or I just was completely out of shape at that point , I don't know , I was gas , dude , gas .

Speaker 1 48:38

That's a lot of muscle to carry around . Oh , but you got to fuel all that muscle with oxygen . You know what I mean . Like that's hard to do .

Speaker 3 48:46

You was making fun of me , because my mic was just picking up the whole time . Just breathing heavy Just like a slight grade , but we were above . We're above 8,500 . So anything , it didn't matter what I was doing . I could have been . I was out of breath from breathing . You know , like it was just like you're sucking wind because you're so high up .

Speaker 1 49:05

Right , yeah , and the the fortunate career of I worked a lot of oil and gas stuff . So I've been out like to Alberta and stuff like that , which is basically like Montana for us , right , and it's , it's crazy and like being in the Rockies and stuff like that , and I've been up around like Nunavut and Northwest Territories and all that stuff where it never gets dark and shit Like it's such a weird thing . But yeah , some of the scenery , man , like that , that Montana rolling hills sort of thing , like Southern Alberta has the same thing . It's pretty impressive , man , it's . It's something that is pretty , but the elevation does get you . Oh , yeah , for sure , especially if you're not used to it .

Speaker 3 49:46

No , I live at you know 800 feet or something . Yeah , exactly , you're not real . You're not real high up .

Speaker 1 49:55

No , I know , man , I know Well , boys , I appreciate you doing

Appreciation for Guests and Future Invitations

Speaker 1 49:58

it . We're pulling up on 50 minutes so I won't . I won't eat up anymore of your time , boys . But thanks a lot , stu . I appreciate you coming up . Buddy , you have an open invitation . Whatever you want to come on again , you let me know . Joe , obviously , whatever you want buddy . We got to get you guys on full draw as well . Yeah , to talk a little , bit Archie .

Speaker 3 50:14

Yeah , you got it .

Speaker 1 50:15

Yeah , 100% Okay . Boys , thank you very much for coming on , Thanks man , take it easy , man , all right Thanks , all right Thanks , all right Thanks man .

Speaker 3 50:26

All right , Thanks man , Thanks man , Thanks man . Take it easy man . All right , Thanks man , Thanks man , Thanks , Thanks man .